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MSI DKA790GX and ECS A780GM-A Ultra

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Date: 28/12/2008

The number of motherboards based on AMD 790GX is increasingly going up. In particular, today we are testing the MSI DKA790GX which stands out for the presence of two PCI Express x16 slots. Besides, manufacturers are producing new motherboards on the AMD 780G chipset and are more actively using the new south bridge SB750. One of the examples is the model ECS A780GM-A Ultra which is also taking part in today's review.

It should be mentioned that despite similar specifications, manufacturers are diverting motherboards based on 790GX and 780G among different market sectors. The former are aimed at mid-end and higher-end systems, whereas the latter are aimed at entry systems and systems below the mid-end. At the same time, the difference in retail price may be as much as twofold. Within this material, we'll also try to find out how justified the price difference is.

Specifications


MSI DKA790GX ECS A780GM-A Ultra
CPU - AMD Phenom (X4/X3)/Athlon 64/Sempron with the bus speeds 200 MHz
- Socket AM2
Chipset - North bridge 790GX
- South bridge SB750
- Interbridge communications: PCI Express x4
- North bridge 780G
- South bridge SB750
- Interbridge communications: PCI Express x4
System memory - Four 240-pin slots for DDR2 SDRAM DIMM
- Maximum memory capacity 8 GB
- Supported memory DDR2 400/533/667/800/1066
- Dual-channel memory access
Graphics - Two PCI Express x16 (v2.0) slots
- Integrated graphic core Radeon HD3300
- One PCI Express x16 (v2.0) slot
- Integrated graphic core Radeon HD3200
Expansion options - Two 32-bit PCI Bus Master slots
- Two PCI Express x1 slots
- Twelve USB 2.0 ports (6 integrated + 6 additional)
- Integrated High Definition Audio 7.1
- Gigabit Ethernet LAN controller
- Three 32-bit PCI Bus Master slots
- Two PCI Express x1 slots
- Twelve USB 2.0 (6 integrated + 6 additional)
- Integrated High Definition Audio 7.1
- Gigabit Ethernet LAN controller
Overclocking options - HTT speed adjustable within 200 to 600 MHz in 1 MHz increments
- Adjustable voltages on the CPU, memory, chipset (nb+sb), and HT
- Frequency of the integrated video core adjustable within 150 to 1500 MHz
- HTT speed adjustable within 200 to 355 MHz in 5 MHz increments
- Adjustable voltages on the CPU, memory, chipset (nb+sb)
- Adjustable frequency of the integrated video core within 150 to 2000 MHz
Disk subsystem - One UltraDMA133/100/66/33 Bus Master IDE link (SB750; with support for up to two ATAPI devices)
- Support for SerialATA II (6 links - SB750, with support for RAID 0,1,0+1,5)
- Support for LS-120 / ZIP / ATAPI CD-ROM
- One link for UltraDMA133/100/66/33 Bus Master IDE (SB750; with support for up to two ATAPI devices)
- Support for SerialATA II (6 links - SB750, with support for RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5)
- Support for SerialATA II (1 link - JMB361)
- Support for LS-120 / ZIP / ATAPI CD-ROM
BIOS - 32 Mbit Flash ROM
- AMI BIOS with support for Enhanced ACPI, DMI, Green, PnP Features
- Windows utility Live Update
- 8 Mbit Flash ROM
- AMI BIOS with support for Enhanced ACPI, DMI, Green, PnP Features
Misc - One port for FDD, one serial port, ports for PS/2 mouse or keyboard
- STR (Suspend to RAM)
- SPDIF Out
- Buttons to power-on, reset, and clear the CMOS
- One port for FDD, ports for PS/2 mouse and keyboard
- STR (Suspend to RAM)
- SPDIF Out
- Buttons to power-on and reboot the system
Power management - Wake-up on modem, mouse, keyboard, LAN, timer, and USB
- Main 24-pin ATX power connector
- Additional 4-pin power connector
- Wake-up on modem, mouse, keyboard, LAN, timer, and USB
- Main 24-pin ATX power connector
- Additional 8-pin power connector
Monitoring - Monitoring the temperatures of the CPU, system, Vcore voltage, rotational speeds of the three fans
- Smart Fan
- Monitoring the temperatures of the CPU, system, voltages (Vcore and Vmem), rotational speeds of the four fans
- Smart Fan
Dimensions - ATX form factor, 244 mm x 305 mm (9.63" x 12") - ATX form factor, 244 mm x 305 mm (9.63" x 12")

Retail boxes


MSI DKA790GX, box

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, box

Package bundle

MSI DKA790GX ECS A780GM-A Ultra
  • motherboard;
  • User's Manual in English + brief usage guide;
  • description of HDDBackup;
  • 2x CDs with software & drivers (for MS Windows XP and Vista);
  • CD with MSI Extras;
  • one ATA133 cable;
  • kit of connectors;
  • a bracket for two USB 2.0 ports;
  • 4x SerialATA cables + 2x power supply adapters (2 connectors);
  • a cap for the rear panel of the housing.
  • motherboard;
  • User's Manual in English + brief usage guide;
  • Software & drivers CD;
  • one ATA133 cable;
  • four SerialATA cables;
  • a cap for the rear panel of the housing.

The package bundle for the MSI board includes a great number of items most of which are disks and paper. In particular, the user gets quite a well-written manual, a brief system assembly guide, instructions for the HDD Backup utility, as well as three CDs.


MSI DKA790GX, package bundle 1

MSI DKA790GX, package bundle 2

Two disks contain drivers and proprietary utilities for XP and Vista. The third CD is called MSI Extras and contains third-party software for the UEFI shell. This shell is some sort of an analog to the ASUS Express Gate Lite environment, but currently MSI DKA790GX does not support it. For details of the UEFI technology, read this page.

The package bundle of the ECS board is sufficient for a product that costs below 2000 rubles.


ECS A780GM-A Ultra, package bundle

By the way, it is just because of the retail price the ECS board gets a higher mark for the package bundle (MSI DKA790GX costs twice as much).

Layout, expansion options

Both the motherboards are made in the ATX form factor and have an approximately the same feature-set. The only radical difference is in the number of PEG slots.


MSI DKA790GX, board layout

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, board layout

To cool the "north bridge", the motherboards use only aluminum radiators without fans. And on the MSI board, the radiators of the north and south bridges are linked with a heat pipe, and the radiator of the NB itself is of quite intricate shape.


MSI DKA790GX NB

ECS A780GM-A Ultra NB

On the ECS board, there are no pipes, but the power components of the PWM are closed with quite a massive radiator.

The motherboards have four 240-pin DIMM slots for DDR2 memory modules each, with the overall supported memory capacity being 8 GB.


MSI DKA790GX, DIMM slots

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, DIMM slots

The MSI board offers two PCI Express x16 (v2.0) slots, whereas the ECS boards - only one.


MSI DKA790GX, slots

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, slots

Besides the PCI-E х16 slots, the MSI board uses two more PCI Express x1 and two PCI slots. The ECS board offers a different configuration: two PCI Express x1, and three PCI slots. Both the motherboards use the SB750 "south bridge" with a radiator. In the end, the boards support six SerialATA II ports and one ParallelATA link each.


MSI DKA790GX, corner

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, corner

It should be mentioned that on the MSI board one port is brought over to the rear panel, with the five remaining SATA ports installed near the "south bridge". On the ECS board, six ports are positioned also there, and on the rear panel there is the seventh SATA port which is implemented using the additional JMB 361 controller.


ECS A780GM-A Ultra eSATA

Then, the south bridge SB750 supports 12 USB 2.0 ports (plus a couple of USB 1.1 ports). On both the boards, all the 12 ports have been implemented and based on the same scheme: six - on the rear panel and six more - with brackets. We also note here that an additional bracket for USB ports is there on only the MSI board (two ports).

As regards the audio subsystem, both the motherboards implement the 8-channel HD-system based on the ALC888 codec.


MSI DKA790GX, sound

Now a few words on the network support: the board offers a high-speed RTL 8111C (Gigabit Ethernet) LAN controller.


MSI DKA790GX, network

The board's rear panel is of the following configuration:


MSI DKA790GX, rear panel

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, rear panel

The kit of connectors and outputs in the two boards is about the same: audio outputs (including the optical SP-DIF), six USB 2.0 ports, one eSATA port, the LAN connector (RJ-45), VGA and HDMI outputs. Besides, the MSI board uses a DVI output and a universal PS/2 connector; on the ECS board - two PS/2 connectors for the mouse and keyboard. As regards the COM and LPT ports, on the ECS board they are missing completely. The MSI board supports only one COM port but through a bracket (missing in the bundle).

Here is the components layout of the MSI board (we failed to find such a layout for the ECS board).


MSI DKA790GX, board layout

On both the boards, there are buttons to power-on and reset the system. Beside, on the MSI board there is also one button to clear the CMOS settings:


MSI DKA790GX, buttons

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, buttons

Now on to the BIOS settings.

BIOS, monitoring, overclocking tools

The BIOS of both the motherboards is based on the AMI BIOS version.


MSI DKA790GX BIOS

ECS A780GM-A Ultra BIOS

We start with the memory settings. First, both the boards offers a wide range of the latency timings:


MSI DKA790GX, memory settings 1

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, memory settings 1

The BIOS also displays information on the SPD, the current frequency, and the latency timings:


MSI DKA790GX, memory settings 2

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, memory settings 2

Programmers at MSI have gone even further and implemented the Memory-Z information system on DKA790GX:


MSI DKA790GX Memory-Z

As regards selection of the memory frequency, both the boards allow setting any value supported by the CPU.


MSI DKA790GX, selecting the memory frequency

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, selecting the memory frequency

Finishing the talk about the memory, we note that the user can control the memory capacity allocated for the needs of the integrated video core:


MSI DKA790GX, selecting the memory capacity

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, selecting the memory capacity

Now look at the system monitoring section.


MSI DKA790GX, system monitoring

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, system monitoring

Both the motherboards display the current temperatures for the CPU and the system, rotational speeds of all the two fans, as well as voltage levels. The MSI board detects all the major voltages, whereas the ECS board keeps track of only the CPU voltage (Vcore) and the memory voltage (Vmem).

Besides, the boards offer support for the Smart Fan feature that allows for a dynamic adjustment of the CPU cooler's rotational speeds depending on the CPU temperature.


MSI DKA790GX Smart Fan

ECS A780GM-A Ultra Smart Fan

We should also note that the MSI board allows saving and loading BIOS settings as profiles (two profiles are supported):


MSI DKA790GX, CMOS profile

Both the boards allow adjusting the multiplier of the HyperTransport bus:


MSI DKA790GX, HyperTransport bus multiplier

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, HyperTransport bus multiplier

Besides, MSI DKA790GX allows adjusting the memory controller multiplier for Phenom processors:


MSI DKA790GX, multiplier of the memory controller

The latter two parameters make sense in overclocking, which we getting round to now.

Overclocking and stability

Before we move on to overclocking, let's look at the power converters. The PWM of the ECS board uses a 5-phase scheme in which there are five 270 mkF and ten 820 mkF capacitors. The PWM of the MSI board uses a 5-phase power scheme in which there are twelve 820 mkF and four 270 mkF capacitors.


MSI DKA790GX PWM ECS A780GM-A Ultra PWM

Note that the power components on both the boards are cooled with radiators. And the difference in the dimensions is seen to the naked eye.


MSI DKA790GX, overclocking tools 1

MSI DKA790GX, overclocking tools 2

Overclocking tools for MSI DKA790GX


ECS A780GM-A Ultra, overclocking tools

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, overclocking tools

Motherboard MSI DKA790GX ECS A780GM-A Ultra
CPU multiplier adjustable + -
HT multiplier adjustable + +
CPU-NB multiplier adjustable + -
GPU Core adjustable within 150 MHz to 1500 MHz (1 MHz) within 150 MHz to 2000 MHz (1)
HTT adjustable within 200 MHz to 600 MHz (1 MHz) within 200 MHz to 355 MHz (5 MHz)
Vcore adjustment within 1.287V to 1.587V (0.05V) within +0 to +0.3V (0.02V)
CPU Vdd adjustable within 1.1 to 1.25V (0.0125V) -
Vmem adjustment within 1.8V to 2.3V (0.05V) within +0 to 1.0V (0.02 V)
Vdd adjustment within 1.2V to 1.5V (0.05V) within +0 to 0.315V (0.005V)
Vht adjustable within 1.25V to 1.5V (0.05V) -
Vsb adjustment - within 1.2V to 1.35V (0.05V)
PCI-E adjustment within 100 MHz to 150 MHz (1 MHz) -

Now let's look at the results of overclocking.


MSI DKA790GX, overclocking

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, overclocking

The MSI board started up at 280 MHz, which can be regarded a good result. On the other hand, the result for the ECS board is extremely low: the maximum stable HTT speed is merely 220 MHz.

Now let's see how the integrated video core overclocked. The results for the MSI board is 950 MHz, ECS - 900 MHz.


MSI DKA790GX, overclocking the GPU

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, overclocking the GPU

We should note that MSI has brought a gift to beginner users: a block of 2 dip switches using which the starting HTT speed can be set to 220, 230, and 240 MHz.


MSI DKA790GX, dip-block

Performance and conclusions

It turned out that while determining the starting HTT speed, both the boards set it at an ideal precision.


MSI DKA790GX, nominal frequency

ECS A780GM-A Ultra, nominal frequency

In our test setup, we used the following hardware:


Test setup
CPU AMD Phenom X3 8750 (2.4 GHz; Toliman)
Cooler Gigabyte 3D Cooler GP Edition
Video card Integrated graphic core Radeon HD 3300/Radeon HD 3200
Sound card -
HDD Samsung HD160JJ
Memory 2x1024 MB GoodRAM DDR2 GP1066D264L5/2GDC
Power supply unit FSP 550 W
OS MS Vista

Let's compare the performance of the test boards versus Elitegroup A790GXM-A (AMD 790GX).


Performance test, Everest

Performance test, Everest

Performance test in 3DMark

CPU performance test in 3DMark

Now on to the gaming benchmarks.


Performance test in Quake 4

Performance test in Serious Sam 2

Performance test in Company of Heroes

Performance test in Crysis

Performance test in PTB

Performance test in Supreme Commander

Performance test in Unreal Tournament 3

Performance test in World in Conflict

Tests of application software.


Performance test in 3D Max

Performance test in CineBench

Performance test in POV

Video encoding (DivX, Xvid) was measured in seconds, i.e. the less the better.

Performance test in DivX

Performance test in Xvid

Data compression (WinRAR) was measured in K/sec, i.e. the more, the better.

Performance test in WinRAR

Final Words

From the technical viewpoint, both the boards are a good implementation of the capabilities of AMD 780G and AMD 790GX chipsets. Both the products offer onboard high-performance graphic core of very good functionality, powerful expansion options and support overclocking tools. However, the latter bring a real advantage on the MSI board only. As regards the ECS A780GM-A Ultra, then with the current BIOS version the overclocking on this model almost has no prospects. On the other hand, the ECS board has a strong ace of trump, namely, the low retail price (at about $70). At that, the MSI board is not so attractive because it costs twice as much (over $140). In our view, this price is evidently overstated since with this money you can already think of the more powerful system on the Intel platform (we mean motherboards for P45-based motherboards).

Conclusion

MSI DKA790GX ECS A780GM-A
Pros:
  • high stability and good performance level;
  • integrated graphic core Radeon HD3300;
  • two PCI Express x16 (PCI-E v2.0) slots;
  • support for Hybrid Crossfire and SurroundView;
  • support for SerialATA II (6 links, RAID);
  • support for ParallelATA (1 link);
  • Gigabit Ethernet controller and 8-channel integrated sound;
  • support for the USB 2.0 (12 ports);
  • support for BIOS profiles, a utility to update the BIOS, and the DualCoreCenter utility.
Cons:
  • Not found.
The board's specific features:
  • powerful overclocking tools and good results;
  • superb overclocking results for the integrated video core;
  • "Power", "Reset", and "Clear CMOS" buttons.
Pros:
  • high stability and good performance level;
  • integrated graphic core Radeon HD3200;
  • one PCI Express x16 (PCI-E v2.0) slot;
  • support for Hybrid Crossfire and SurroundView;
  • support for SerialATA II (7 links, RAID);
  • support for ParallelATA (1 link);
  • integrated 8-channel audio and Gigabit Ethernet LAN controller;
  • support for the USB 2.0 (12 ports);
  • low price.
Cons:
  • Not found.
The board's specific features:
  • not bad overclocking tools but poor results;
  • superb overclocking results for the integrated video core;
  • Power, Reset buttons.
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